Comments on: “Ma’am, the cloud is coming from inside your house” http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud Jonathan Zittrain is Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and co-founder of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:14:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Google liberates data :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-13084 Google liberates data :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:44:05 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-13084 [...] Zittrain has spent time on this blog and elsewhere discussing the future of cloud computing. One of his frequent suggestions is that it [...] [...] Zittrain has spent time on this blog and elsewhere discussing the future of cloud computing. One of his frequent suggestions is that it [...]

]]> By: Are Your Virtual Assets Safe? « Play as Life http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10474 Are Your Virtual Assets Safe? « Play as Life Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:26:13 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10474 [...] well, thanks to cloud computing and digital content distribution [Cyber scholar Jonathan Zittrain expresses concerns about the dark side of cloud computing]. I’m not suggesting that we distrust technology, but as a normal consumer, I find that more [...] [...] well, thanks to cloud computing and digital content distribution [Cyber scholar Jonathan Zittrain expresses concerns about the dark side of cloud computing]. I’m not suggesting that we distrust technology, but as a normal consumer, I find that more [...]

]]> By: Julian Ranger http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10385 Julian Ranger Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:43:30 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10385 It is interesting to think of this from the perspective of a non-IT specialist user, your average person at home or in the office. To them, I think the cloud is anything over which they have no control, i.e. outside of their own devices. In this way the cloud starts at the point the internet data leaves their home and encompass the whole of the transport medium, and all the processors and distributed storage that provides the services they consume. What a user does not expect to be the cloud is anything under their control - this means that iPhones, Kindles, et al to which you refer would by most users views be considered to be under their control. That was one reason I think there was such a storm when Amazon took back/deleted books recently. The fact that these 'smaller' devices can't load other things/aren't fully flexible doesn't make them cloud from a user's perspective. The key point for a user is, I think, that if I have created something (my data) or bought something (becomes my data) then it is my data and I own it and I, not the 'cloud', decide what to do with it. The burgeoning question is therefore how I use that data and allow others to use it. Too often using the cloud means giving away too much control of my data without me really knowing it. I am not against giving away ones data for reason - for example the Apple Genius feature is to me a great reward for telling Apple what is in my iTunes library - I just would like it to be a more knowledgeable exchange. It is interesting to think of this from the perspective of a non-IT specialist user, your average person at home or in the office. To them, I think the cloud is anything over which they have no control, i.e. outside of their own devices. In this way the cloud starts at the point the internet data leaves their home and encompass the whole of the transport medium, and all the processors and distributed storage that provides the services they consume.

What a user does not expect to be the cloud is anything under their control – this means that iPhones, Kindles, et al to which you refer would by most users views be considered to be under their control. That was one reason I think there was such a storm when Amazon took back/deleted books recently. The fact that these ’smaller’ devices can’t load other things/aren’t fully flexible doesn’t make them cloud from a user’s perspective.

The key point for a user is, I think, that if I have created something (my data) or bought something (becomes my data) then it is my data and I own it and I, not the ‘cloud’, decide what to do with it. The burgeoning question is therefore how I use that data and allow others to use it. Too often using the cloud means giving away too much control of my data without me really knowing it. I am not against giving away ones data for reason – for example the Apple Genius feature is to me a great reward for telling Apple what is in my iTunes library – I just would like it to be a more knowledgeable exchange.

]]> By: Reading blogs #17 : ::: Think Macro ::: http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10366 Reading blogs #17 : ::: Think Macro ::: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:19:59 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10366 [...] as a concept.  Here is also Jeff Bezos’ apology.  Finally, to follow up, JZ has published a post reflecting on the discussion about his op ed and the definitions of “cloud” – [...] [...] as a concept.  Here is also Jeff Bezos’ apology.  Finally, to follow up, JZ has published a post reflecting on the discussion about his op ed and the definitions of “cloud” – [...]

]]> By: Andrea NGOMBET http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10358 Andrea NGOMBET Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:45:40 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10358 Thanks for your iTunes U lecture about the future of the internet. It was pleasant and very interesting. But I need to ask when would you come in France for a lecture? Please let me get in touch. We do have a huge problem in France with the internet due to many restrictive law. Cordialement, Andréa. Thanks for your iTunes U lecture about the future of the internet. It was pleasant and very interesting.
But I need to ask when would you come in France for a lecture? Please let me get in touch.
We do have a huge problem in France with the internet due to many restrictive law.

Cordialement,

Andréa.

]]> By: Professor Zittrain expands on what he means by Cloud Computing: « Sapientia et Doctrina http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10245 Professor Zittrain expands on what he means by Cloud Computing: « Sapientia et Doctrina Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:30:04 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10245 [...] 30th 2009f July 2009 08:29:56 PM Professor Zittrain expands on what he means by Cloud Computing: http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud leave a comment « But I must unlearn what I have learned. Meditate on this, [...] [...] 30th 2009f July 2009 08:29:56 PM Professor Zittrain expands on what he means by Cloud Computing: http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud leave a comment « But I must unlearn what I have learned. Meditate on this, [...]

]]> By: Saqib Ali http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10225 Saqib Ali Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:40:21 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10225 Professor Zittrain, Interesting blog post. I had a long discussion about the Cloudy nature of Amazon Kindle with my colleagues after reading your Op-Ed in NYTimes. I think there is a key difference between, let's say, Google Apps and Amazon Kindle. You can un-tether a Kindle, thus preventing Amazon from controlling your device. But you can not do the same with Google Apps. I know this I small difference and gets cloudy (no pun intended) when we start taking about Google's off-line mode, but is still a key difference. Just my $.02. Professor Zittrain,

Interesting blog post. I had a long discussion about the Cloudy nature of Amazon Kindle with my colleagues after reading your Op-Ed in NYTimes.

I think there is a key difference between, let’s say, Google Apps and Amazon Kindle. You can un-tether a Kindle, thus preventing Amazon from controlling your device. But you can not do the same with Google Apps. I know this I small difference and gets cloudy (no pun intended) when we start taking about Google’s off-line mode, but is still a key difference.

Just my $.02.

]]> By: Bertil Hatt http://futureoftheinternet.org/an-expansive-cloud/comment-page-1#comment-10220 Bertil Hatt Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:36:46 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=856#comment-10220 What you seem to describe is actually not about a graph with ends and hubs, but about having a service that is not provided by one agent, but by a system: such a concept was impossible to set up contractually at first, so IP-like freedom made it possible, where not one actor could have an impact of the others; once this prove it was econmically relevant, many interested parties came, each with their agenda, and some decided that they could influence the combination beyond the smallest coherent module. Your issues are not with the cloud, but what is the default when a aggregated service has no legally enforced aggregator. What you seem to describe is actually not about a graph with ends and hubs, but about having a service that is not provided by one agent, but by a system: such a concept was impossible to set up contractually at first, so IP-like freedom made it possible, where not one actor could have an impact of the others; once this prove it was econmically relevant, many interested parties came, each with their agenda, and some decided that they could influence the combination beyond the smallest coherent module. Your issues are not with the cloud, but what is the default when a aggregated service has no legally enforced aggregator.

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