Comments on: E Pluribus Facebook http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook Jonathan Zittrain is Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and co-founder of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:25:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: “If you do not learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat it” - Behind Glass Walls http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-10859 “If you do not learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat it” - Behind Glass Walls Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:53:09 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-10859 [...] on the how well they are presented. And, I’m sorry to say, Digsby have not learnt from the Facebook Terms of Service PR disaster or the eMusic Sony deal. When you make changes, you need to be upfront, honest, open to comment, [...] [...] on the how well they are presented. And, I’m sorry to say, Digsby have not learnt from the Facebook Terms of Service PR disaster or the eMusic Sony deal. When you make changes, you need to be upfront, honest, open to comment, [...]

]]> By: Nathan Prescott http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-8327 Nathan Prescott Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:34:45 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-8327 The influence of Facebook is expanding more quickly than you may realize. You may not have noticed but Facebook is now offering "Facebook Connect" a means to use your Facebook account to log in to any other website. A Webmaster can punch out a couple lines of code and their site is now "Facebook connected". I myself as a webmaster tapped into this tool simply because I was inundated with requests simply stating "we don't want to register add Facebook connect". I run a website to help university students save money by finding other university students to buy used textbooks from http://myusedtext.com I would not be at all surprised however (given today's generation) if in 10 or 15 years Facebook started taking SSN's and issuing Facebook Id cards. Mz was right it will be "In Facebook God we trust". The influence of Facebook is expanding more quickly than you may realize. You may not have noticed but Facebook is now offering “Facebook Connect” a means to use your Facebook account to log in to any other website. A Webmaster can punch out a couple lines of code and their site is now “Facebook connected”. I myself as a webmaster tapped into this tool simply because I was inundated with requests simply stating “we don’t want to register add Facebook connect”.

I run a website to help university students save money by finding other university students to buy used textbooks from http://myusedtext.com I would not be at all surprised however (given today’s generation) if in 10 or 15 years Facebook started taking SSN’s and issuing Facebook Id cards.

Mz was right it will be “In Facebook God we trust”.

]]> By: mz http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6748 mz Sat, 02 May 2009 18:22:27 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6748 Jonathan, you write: "It calls to mind the age-old trick of asking the children whether they’d like to wear their red or green pajamas to bed – with no choice about when bedtime actually is. Facebook still holds the quill and frames the choice." Agreed! But then you continue: "But the fact is that most companies wouldn’t dream of going as far as Facebook just has, because the kinds of public pressures that create privacy crises can also be elicited when cynical choices are presented. Facebook has intentionally placed itself in a new zone, borrowing elements of .org and .gov to inform how a .com is run." At this point, I find it hard to share your enthusiasm. What makes you so confident and optimistic about this move? If your pajama comparison holds, isn't the illusion of empowerment much worse (and potentially more dangerous) than the insight that there is none? Maybe an "In Facebook God We Trust" would be more appropriate! Jonathan, you write:

“It calls to mind the age-old trick of asking the children whether they’d like to wear their red or green pajamas to bed – with no choice about when bedtime actually is. Facebook still holds the quill and frames the choice.”

Agreed! But then you continue:

“But the fact is that most companies wouldn’t dream of going as far as Facebook just has, because the kinds of public pressures that create privacy crises can also be elicited when cynical choices are presented. Facebook has intentionally placed itself in a new zone, borrowing elements of .org and .gov to inform how a .com is run.”

At this point, I find it hard to share your enthusiasm. What makes you so confident and optimistic about this move? If your pajama comparison holds, isn’t the illusion of empowerment much worse (and potentially more dangerous) than the insight that there is none?

Maybe an “In Facebook God We Trust” would be more appropriate!

]]> By: FacebookWatch » Is The New Policy Just A PR Stunt? http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6608 FacebookWatch » Is The New Policy Just A PR Stunt? Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:29:31 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6608 [...] new privacy policies for Facebook. We agree with Professor Jonathan Zittrain of Harvard Law, who wrote on his blog [...] [...] new privacy policies for Facebook. We agree with Professor Jonathan Zittrain of Harvard Law, who wrote on his blog [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-04-22 « The Whippersnapper http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6254 links for 2009-04-22 « The Whippersnapper Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:00:49 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6254 [...] E Pluribus Facebook :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It "So Facebook draws from the public and public interest sphere, a simultaneously bold and modest step towards acknowledging that our new networked technologies deeply affect our lives in ways not always captured or best shaped by the typical template of consumer and seller. … I’m heartened at the prospect that the amazing engine of private enterprise may find creative ways to tap into and reinforce our civic instincts." (tags: facebook socialmedia software) [...] [...] E Pluribus Facebook :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It "So Facebook draws from the public and public interest sphere, a simultaneously bold and modest step towards acknowledging that our new networked technologies deeply affect our lives in ways not always captured or best shaped by the typical template of consumer and seller. … I’m heartened at the prospect that the amazing engine of private enterprise may find creative ways to tap into and reinforce our civic instincts." (tags: facebook socialmedia software) [...]

]]> By: MediaBerkman » Blog Archive » Radio Berkman: My Own Private Infrastructure http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6185 MediaBerkman » Blog Archive » Radio Berkman: My Own Private Infrastructure Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:03:32 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6185 [...] you’ve been following the Facebook Terms of Service flap you probably have some idea of how big a deal a company’s terms of service can be. If [...] [...] you’ve been following the Facebook Terms of Service flap you probably have some idea of how big a deal a company’s terms of service can be. If [...]

]]> By: Unit Structures – The Politics of Simulation, or, The Simulation of Politics http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6103 Unit Structures – The Politics of Simulation, or, The Simulation of Politics Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:01:34 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6103 [...] Jonathan Zittrain: It calls to mind the age-old trick of asking the children whether they’d like to wear their red or green pajamas to bed – with no choice about when bedtime actually is. Facebook still holds the quill and frames the choice. But the fact is that most companies wouldn’t dream of going as far as Facebook just has, because the kinds of public pressures that create privacy crises can also be elicited when cynical choices are presented. Facebook has intentionally placed itself in a new zone, borrowing elements of .org and .gov to inform how a .com is run. Coming from .edu myself, I’m disappointed that something initially as academically-related as Facebook – a social networking site for university communities – wasn’t begun and nurtured under university auspices, naturally incorporating public interest values. [...] [...] Jonathan Zittrain: It calls to mind the age-old trick of asking the children whether they’d like to wear their red or green pajamas to bed – with no choice about when bedtime actually is. Facebook still holds the quill and frames the choice. But the fact is that most companies wouldn’t dream of going as far as Facebook just has, because the kinds of public pressures that create privacy crises can also be elicited when cynical choices are presented. Facebook has intentionally placed itself in a new zone, borrowing elements of .org and .gov to inform how a .com is run. Coming from .edu myself, I’m disappointed that something initially as academically-related as Facebook – a social networking site for university communities – wasn’t begun and nurtured under university auspices, naturally incorporating public interest values. [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-04-19 « Where is my towel? http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6094 links for 2009-04-19 « Where is my towel? Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:02:31 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6094 [...] E Pluribus Facebook :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It "This encourages Facebook users not to simply view themselves as users but as … citizens. Citizens of Facebook. The consumer/vendor relationship – governed by contract and fair trade law – is different from that of citizen/government. " (tags: facebook netizens governance ****) [...] [...] E Pluribus Facebook :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It "This encourages Facebook users not to simply view themselves as users but as … citizens. Citizens of Facebook. The consumer/vendor relationship – governed by contract and fair trade law – is different from that of citizen/government. " (tags: facebook netizens governance ****) [...]

]]> By: Toby http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-6048 Toby Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:49:50 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/e-pluribus-facebook#comment-6048 There is still a lot of room for concern here. Some have <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/04/17/the-curtain-opens-on-facebooks-democracy-theatre/" rel="nofollow">argued</a> that Facebook is engaging only in democracy theatre. There is still a lot of room for concern here. Some have argued that Facebook is engaging only in democracy theatre.

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