Comments on: Google takes on China http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn Jonathan Zittrain is Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and co-founder of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:59:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Google takes on China-Jonathan Zittrain « FACT – Freedom Against Censorship Thailand http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17583 Google takes on China-Jonathan Zittrain « FACT – Freedom Against Censorship Thailand Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:29:31 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17583 [...] Google takes on China [...] [...] Google takes on China [...]

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]]> By: Curt D http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17528 Curt D Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:01:19 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17528 Google and China are bringing up a 21st century battle of democracy and freedom verse Communism and restricted personal freedom. When we started using cloud computing systems we saw the HUGE area of security problems being created in cross country internet usage. Thrown in that the entire world is "outsourcing" computer stuff to Southeast Asian countries, and you have a plan for these socio-technology issues going to ahead. We study search demand/supply trends from around the world to find profitable niches and products. A niche, or hot predictions, is not just a demand side issue, but a supply/demand curve. If you predict IPHONE apps will take off, and there are already 100,000 aps, then you aren't going to hit that one. If you see that demand for cell phone radiation shields is going nuts and there are only two suppliers, then you can be pretty sure that it will be a good year for those 2 supplies. The software at www.TheInternetTimeMachine.com studies both the demand (search volume) and supply (think "results" in Google). The Google Phone is generating much more buzz right now then say the Apple Tablet. Cheers, Curt Here is a video on what I mean.. http://bit.ly/SupplyDemandCurves Google and China are bringing up a 21st century battle of democracy and freedom verse Communism and restricted personal freedom. When we started using cloud computing systems we saw the HUGE area of security problems being created in cross country internet usage. Thrown in that the entire world is “outsourcing” computer stuff to Southeast Asian countries, and you have a plan for these socio-technology issues going to ahead. We study search demand/supply trends from around the world to find profitable niches and products. A niche, or hot predictions, is not just a demand side issue, but a supply/demand curve. If you predict IPHONE apps will take off, and there are already 100,000 aps, then you aren’t going to hit that one. If you see that demand for cell phone radiation shields is going nuts and there are only two suppliers, then you can be pretty sure that it will be a good year for those 2 supplies. The software at http://www.TheInternetTimeMachine.com studies both the demand (search volume) and supply (think “results” in Google). The Google Phone is generating much more buzz right now then say the Apple Tablet.
Cheers,
Curt
Here is a video on what I mean.. http://bit.ly/SupplyDemandCurves

]]> By: MatthewTan http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17526 MatthewTan Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:06:41 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17526 Call on China to be firm to oppose Google hegemony - it has violated Chinese sovereignty with US government backing. The developing nations look to China to oppose US hegemony of all kinds. Call on China to be firm to oppose Google hegemony – it has violated Chinese sovereignty with US government backing. The developing nations look to China to oppose US hegemony of all kinds.

]]> By: hawk http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17524 hawk Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:22:37 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17524 Google employees have suffered in China, and if it weren't China, that sort of treatment would bring down the wrath of Hillary. Markets tend to get the treatment their potential for growth allows. The big question, as I see it, is why is Google seemingly taking on China, and the U.S. seems to be out of focus? This is more about "informationization" which you can read about at: http://tek-tips.nethawk.net/blog/the-informationization-age Google employees have suffered in China, and if it weren’t China, that sort of treatment would bring down the wrath of Hillary. Markets tend to get the treatment their potential for growth allows. The big question, as I see it, is why is Google seemingly taking on China, and the U.S. seems to be out of focus? This is more about “informationization” which you can read about at: http://tek-tips.nethawk.net/blog/the-informationization-age

]]> By: jason mazzon http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17523 jason mazzon Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:43:30 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17523 The ethics of Google self-serving gamble and the false expectations that it has generated are a confusing sign of where things are heading with the internet. The internet is evolving as realistically as possible. First, it was a "free-for-all" playing field where every participant did what he wanted. Then, came business which realized that the only commodity really produced using the web was the selling, trading, and buying of personal information disguised as a service and up to now that is their only business model on the internet. Now, we have governments trying to establish control of how society uses the information that is on the web as a mechanism of governing. It would be naive to think that only France and China are the only governments trying to manipulate the medium as a mechanism of governing without thinking that our government here in the U.S. also uses the internet to keep tab on what it considers threats to the nation. China, though has taken it to a different level. They realize that in this day and age control of native web servers and filtering of external ones means control of how their people can think and view the world. They also realize the enourmous potential of the internet as weapon of both economic, and political war. It is the beginning of a new internet age which will engender a battle between those seeking total openness and those seeking total control. There will be no in-between compromises. That is why Google stands a good chance of being kicked out of China. American companies will continue to sell their souls to their Chinese business host as long as China throws them a bone from their markets. That is the real ethics of American business. When it comes to personal involvement with the internet, the future will demand a more careful and knowledgeable participation. The mass of reckless participants will be manipulated in one form or another by both business and government. So, eventually it is going to be up to us as individuals to watch and care for our freedom of expression and interchange of ideas within this medium. There is no going back to the good old internet days, and there is no reason to expect that business and government will keep the medium a free for all medium. The ethics of Google self-serving gamble and the false expectations that it has generated are a confusing sign of where things are heading with the internet. The internet is evolving as realistically as possible. First, it was a “free-for-all” playing field where every participant did what he wanted. Then, came business which realized that the only commodity really produced using the web was the selling, trading, and buying of personal information disguised as a service and up to now that is their only business model on the internet. Now, we have governments trying to establish control of how society uses the information that is on the web as a mechanism of governing.

It would be naive to think that only France and China are the only governments trying to manipulate the medium as a mechanism of governing without thinking that our government here in the U.S. also uses the internet to keep tab on what it considers threats to the nation. China, though has taken it to a different level. They realize that in this day and age control of native web servers and filtering of external ones means control of how their people can think and view the world. They also realize the enourmous potential of the internet as weapon of both economic, and political war.

It is the beginning of a new internet age which will engender a battle between those seeking total openness and those seeking total control. There will be no in-between
compromises. That is why Google stands a good chance of being kicked out of China. American companies will continue to sell their souls to their Chinese business host as long as China throws them a bone from their markets. That is the real ethics of American business.

When it comes to personal involvement with the internet, the future will demand a more careful and knowledgeable participation. The mass of reckless participants will be manipulated in one form or another by both business and government. So, eventually it is going to be up to us as individuals to watch and care for our freedom of expression and interchange of ideas within this medium. There is no going back to the good old internet days, and there is no reason to expect that business and government will keep the medium a free for all medium.

]]> By: PETER http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17520 PETER Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:01:54 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17520 “Whether Google decides to pursue the unfiltered search results option for China most likely won’t affect the average internet user in China because he or she simply won’t care.” pls do not make The decision for Chinese people unless you REALLY know what they CARE!! “Whether Google decides to pursue the unfiltered search results option for China most likely won’t affect the average internet user in China because he or she simply won’t care.”

pls do not make The decision for Chinese people unless you REALLY know what they CARE!!

]]> By: In War Against the Internet, China Is Just a Skirmish http://futureoftheinternet.org/google-cn/comment-page-1#comment-17518 In War Against the Internet, China Is Just a Skirmish Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:02:43 +0000 http://futureoftheinternet.org/?p=1106#comment-17518 [...] “My hope, and expectation, is that Google engineers who might have been a bit halfhearted about implementing censorship mandates in Google.cn could be full-throttle in coming up with ways for Google to be viewed despite any network interruptions between site and user,” Mr. Zittrain wrote on his blog, The Future of the Internet and how to Stop It. [...] [...] “My hope, and expectation, is that Google engineers who might have been a bit halfhearted about implementing censorship mandates in Google.cn could be full-throttle in coming up with ways for Google to be viewed despite any network interruptions between site and user,” Mr. Zittrain wrote on his blog, The Future of the Internet and how to Stop It. [...]

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