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	<description>Jonathan Zittrain is Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and co-founder of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School</description>
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		<title>By: FOI Topics and Links of the Week :: The Future of the Internet &#8212; And How to Stop It</title>
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		<dc:creator>FOI Topics and Links of the Week :: The Future of the Internet &#8212; And How to Stop It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Extraordinaries Haiti Earthquake Support Center. A followup post on the Extraordinaries&#8217; efforts to use ubiquitous human computing to help find missing people after the Haiti earthquake &#8212; a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Berkman Buzz &#124; BlogHalt.com</title>
		<link>http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop/comment-page-1#comment-17587</link>
		<dc:creator>Berkman Buzz &#124; BlogHalt.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * Future of the Internet puts out a HIT about worker satisfaction: http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] * Future of the Internet puts out a HIT about worker satisfaction: <a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop" rel="nofollow">http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t follow your logic - somehow, forums/Google do not seem to have produced minimum wage laws, health insurance, grievance procedures, job protection - all things that matter for employment.

To expand on my comment #2 above, since I don&#039;t have to be &quot;respectable&quot; at all :-), one of the oddest things about the political constraints is the way that while this is all Labor 101, you&#039;re never, ever, supposed to indicate you know that, because that&#039;s Not Acceptable within the boundaries of permissible discourse. I keep praising JZ for being willing to engage this obvious aspect even a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t follow your logic &#8211; somehow, forums/Google do not seem to have produced minimum wage laws, health insurance, grievance procedures, job protection &#8211; all things that matter for employment.</p>
<p>To expand on my comment #2 above, since I don&#8217;t have to be &#8220;respectable&#8221; at all <img src='http://futureoftheinternet.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , one of the oddest things about the political constraints is the way that while this is all Labor 101, you&#8217;re never, ever, supposed to indicate you know that, because that&#8217;s Not Acceptable within the boundaries of permissible discourse. I keep praising JZ for being willing to engage this obvious aspect even a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertil Hatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertil Hatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seth,
Even Turkers—the lower level of interaction and unionisation— have forums. In the era of Google, you just need a name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seth,<br />
Even Turkers—the lower level of interaction and unionisation— have forums. In the era of Google, you just need a name.</p>
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		<title>By: fccchina发安全警告，微软拒绝与谷歌联手叫板&#124;文通博客</title>
		<link>http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop/comment-page-1#comment-17531</link>
		<dc:creator>fccchina发安全警告，微软拒绝与谷歌联手叫板&#124;文通博客</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://futureoftheinternet.org/life-in-a-clickshop/comment-page-1#comment-17527</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding: &quot;Much of the point, as I read it, was just that cloudwork practices are so new, dynamic, and varied that it&#039;s hard to know what the good and bad effects will turn out to be.&quot;

Well, we can make a p-r-e-t-t-y good guess at some of them, from a simple acquaintance with labor history. Hmm, whatever could happen from a system that makes workers completely powerless and expendable, with no collective bargaining power whatsoever? Just what could be the possible results? Oh, this is such new and unexplored territory, maybe little elves will love working for Santa at wages of a glass of milk and cookies (they like making toys - it&#039;s fun!) ...

No personal offense intended, and I understand there&#039;s many pressures involved in some of the politics of having to be considered intellectually reasonable by fanatical plutocrats. But it does lead to some very strange effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding: &#8220;Much of the point, as I read it, was just that cloudwork practices are so new, dynamic, and varied that it&#8217;s hard to know what the good and bad effects will turn out to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we can make a p-r-e-t-t-y good guess at some of them, from a simple acquaintance with labor history. Hmm, whatever could happen from a system that makes workers completely powerless and expendable, with no collective bargaining power whatsoever? Just what could be the possible results? Oh, this is such new and unexplored territory, maybe little elves will love working for Santa at wages of a glass of milk and cookies (they like making toys &#8211; it&#8217;s fun!) &#8230;</p>
<p>No personal offense intended, and I understand there&#8217;s many pressures involved in some of the politics of having to be considered intellectually reasonable by fanatical plutocrats. But it does lead to some very strange effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertil Hatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertil Hatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing out at this discussion: it&#039;s rare that Tech Review replies to a column, and even rarer that Newsweek is part of such discussion. I&#039;d like to point out one detail, your comment about child labor:

First, the key point that I&#039;ve heard from JZ is about “fun work”: what to do when children would rather play what is a game to them rather then play outside?

secondly, most child labor is physical, in the meatspace, and that platform, if turned to a form of child labor, can actually encourage parents to let they children in front of a computer, most likely the best thing for them. My point isn&#039;t unlike the defense of sweatshops where work conditions are rather OK, thanks to minimal unionisation and a steep improvement over the alas usual prostitution, mining, etc.

I do like being an economist and asking ”is it better?“, in addition to listening to laywers and polsci asking “is it good?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing out at this discussion: it&#8217;s rare that Tech Review replies to a column, and even rarer that Newsweek is part of such discussion. I&#8217;d like to point out one detail, your comment about child labor:</p>
<p>First, the key point that I&#8217;ve heard from JZ is about “fun work”: what to do when children would rather play what is a game to them rather then play outside?</p>
<p>secondly, most child labor is physical, in the meatspace, and that platform, if turned to a form of child labor, can actually encourage parents to let they children in front of a computer, most likely the best thing for them. My point isn&#8217;t unlike the defense of sweatshops where work conditions are rather OK, thanks to minimal unionisation and a steep improvement over the alas usual prostitution, mining, etc.</p>
<p>I do like being an economist and asking ”is it better?“, in addition to listening to laywers and polsci asking “is it good?”</p>
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